dyanamic ip for noobs

[kyle1471-]

[EDIT: The Management would like to assert that the following information is not legal for KoC usage, but has been left because there are other uses for dynamic IPs. Be aware that this information is given by the post writer, and is not endorsed by the forum -- any problems that you encounter, legal or otherwise -- is not our fault. We advise that you not mess with such things unless you truly know what you are messing around with. ~ Vaekor ]


this thread is about dyanamic ip's for those who are noobs to ip's and those who just don't no if they have it o here goes

1st: go to the top drop down menu and go to tools and find internet options

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/5237/tools6ng.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

2nd: go into internet options and find delete cookies and delete them

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/4596/io0rd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/558/deletecookies1hy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

3rd: close down I.E then go into control panel ehich can be found in my computer somewhere and then go to network and internet connections or something similar

http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/1936/netint4gu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

4th: go inside and find network connections or internet connection or something similar

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/426/netco8xe.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

5th: inside you will find all your connections and disable all the connected ones and wait 10 secs after connect back to them again and ur ip should of changed :)
NOTE: make shortcuts before hand jsut incase u delete them or something i have

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/3900/conect8nu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


thanx

if u have any troubles or querys i would surgest getting hold of piggygoestotown-pr hes no's alot on d.ip's :D

there is another way called proxys but there illegal :denny: :denny:

[DaNzO]

If i Disable it...
Won't My Internet Fail.. Cos Thats the Thing That Controls My Internet.

[kyle1471-]

no it just disconects

[Lucy]

If i Disable it...
Won't My Internet Fail.. Cos Thats the Thing That Controls My Internet.
no, but you re-connect it =D

[royalmarine]

it simply cuts off the signal from the modem/router to the internet...
like a wall.
re-enabling it, just takes the wall away...
its safe to do it...
but dont forget NOT EVERYONE HAS DYNAMIC IP.
the only real way to test it, is to do the above steps..

nice going kyle. nice image's aswell :D
and lol thnx for sending me a load of msg's from people who want to use it!!!
my inbox has 15 unread messages over this... ive gotta reply to them and delete them all now... THANKS KYLE!!!!

/me neg reps kyle...
lol jokin fella.

JUST REMEMBER EVERYONE, ITS NOT 100% GUARANTEED TO WORK FOR YOU. SO IF IT DOESNT, DONT BOTHER POSTING ASKING FOR HELP...

if the above steps did nothing for you, and it still says youve already clicked this link, THEN YOU DO NOT HAVE DYNAMIC IP...
if you want to complain to anyone, then complain to your internet provider....

[Bitter-Peace]

ok, im confused..... i did this, it worked the first time, i clicked again, but it wont work a second time... any ideas anyone?

[jaketo]

Excellent post Kyle on how to take advantage of the whole dynamic IP thang, rep to you!

I've read a lot of posts lately on IP addressing and most of them are along the right lines, but I thought some technical background might be of use to understand what's going on and why! ;) (Apologies to anyone if this is old hat, I'm trying to keep it simple yet informative! I may also gloss over some bits for the same reason. Also I apologise for the amount of times I use the word 'basically'!)

Modern networks transmit data between devices (PC's, servers, routers, ADSL modems et al - let's call these IP devices) using a protocol called TCP/IP. This includes around LANs (Local Area Networks, like in your school or office), WANs (separate LANs joined together through private connections), and The Evil Internet. There are other protocols out there but since the advent of the Internet which runs solely on TCP/IP, these other protocols are becoming much less common (Netware, anyone?)

Obviously not every IP device in the world is connected to every other IP device, but they are usually collected into groups of IP devices (network segments - a LAN is a very good example of this). Purely speaking every IP device on the same network segment needs a unique IP address (I hope we all know what an IP address looks like? A quad octet numeral with each octet from 0 - 255 in decimal, like 192.16.160.78) to be able to communicate successfully with another device on the same segment - duplicate IP addresses on the same segment are not a good thing!

What would then happen is that each network segment would have one public IP address, and it is this that is used when these segments are joined together, like when LANs have a permanent connection to the Internet - this connection would (should!) usually be through a Firewall, which acts as a single point of contact between the LAN and the Internet. It is the Firewall that has the public IP address (it also has a private IP address for use on the LAN) - as all the IP devices on the LAN are nicely hidden from the Internet they can basically use any IP range they like (although 172.x.x.x and 192.168.x.x are very common for this).

Basically the firewall communicates with the Internet on behalf of the LAN, using this great thing called Network Address Translation (NAT).

Example - Your PC on a LAN (it's a small LAN ok, so no proxy server!) has a private LAN IP address of 172.32.40.23. The Firewall on this LAN has a private IP address of 172.32.40.1 and a public IP address of 66.73.27.89. When you access the Internet, your PC talks via TCP/IP to your firewall on its private address i.e. private LAN traffic. If your Firewall is happy for your traffic to pass through, it uses NAT to convert your PC's IP address so it appears to be the public address of the Firewall - 66.73.27.89. When your request returns, the Firewall converts the IP address back again into the local IP address of your PC and returns the page you requested. This way, any number of PCs on a LAN can connect to the Internet with only one visible source IP address. This is important for security (single point of contact) and also it reduces the number of IP addresses in use.

As the public IP address of your Firewall would be allocated to your LAN by an ISP, there no risk of duplicate IPs on the Internet, because all these ISPs have to follow a number of regulations about allocating IP address ranges. It's worth noting also at this point that any website can potentially be considered as a LAN of sorts, in that the site will probably be hosted on a number of connected servers sitting behind a Firewall, and when you surf to that site, you're actually connecting to the public IP address of that Firewall.

A quick aside - if there's other KoC players on the same LAN as you, NAT is the reason why sometimes for example KoC will tell you you've already clicked on a unique link when you haven't, or also why some players have been accused of using multiple accounts, as they all appear to the KoC server to come from the same IP address.

Another quick aside - there seems to be confusion over the term 'proxy server'. Larger LANs would contain a proxy server which regulates (and monitors possibly!) web access for all the PCs on the LAN. Basically when a LAN PC connects to a web page, it actually connects to the proxy server and that connects to the web on the PCs behalf. This is good practice as it provides a single point of management for Internet access, and also potentially makes programming the Firewall a little easier ;) There exist websites that kind of offer a similar service that lots of people call 'proxy servers' but these sites are more useful for circumnavigating web access regulation tools and also for appearing to another website e.g. KoC, to be coming from a different IP address. Chances are that if you're accessing KoC from a LAN using one of these websites, you're already going through a proxy server on your LAN.

Back on topic -

Using the current IP system (and ignoring subnetting and IPv6!) there are basically plenty of IP addresses to go around (As an IP address can range from 0.0.0.0 to 255.255.255.255, theoretically it's 255 x 255 x 255 x 255 = 4,228,250,625 available IP addresses, but there's lots of exceptions to this in what you should or shouldn't use! 0 and 255 for example have special functions) Anyway, whatever, there's a lot. :) Amazingly though, available public address ranges are running a bit scarce (mainly down to certain companies and organisations hogging very large ranges).

99.9% of public IP addresses are what are known as static IP addresses, in that they're allocated by an ISP and hardcoded into the Firewall, thus they don't change (very often), which is another good thing.

A LAN could also use static IP addresses if it so wanted to (if your PC is configured with a static IP address, you'll see this as a whole bunch of numbers in your network settings. (Static IPs are definitely the case for servers and important network devices like the Firewall!) but if you've got a lot of client PCs and especially laptops that are away from the LAN for periods of time, this can be a management nightmare, and also an inefficient way to allocate IP addresses.

To make the allocation of IP addresses more efficient, some clever sod came up with the idea of DHCP - Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. (Hooray, we finally get to the Dynamic part!) This is very commonly used on LANs, but also is very relevant to client connectivity on the Internet, and this means home users.

Basically it works like this -

On your LAN you'd have a DHCP server. This server will have a range of IP Addresses (aka IP Scope) to play with and allocate around as it sees fit. If a client PC is set to use DHCP, it will be set to 'Obtain an IP address automatically', and when it boots up, it will broadcast the LAN looking for a DHCP server. The DHCP server will respond to this request and allocate an available IP address to this PC from its scope, and the PC will then be able to connect to the network. (DHCP is also great because you can use it to set lots of other network settings automatically, such as client WINS or DNS server settings, default gateways etc!).

However, if you have a large LAN containing a lot of PCs all using DHCP, the DHCP server would meltdown every morning when people arrived and powered up their PCs, so the concept of the 'DHCP lease' was invented. This lease is a timeout that is set on the DHCP server, and can vary from minutes to months. What happens it that when the DHCP allocates an IP address to a client PC, it also tells it how long it can keep that address for (the length of the lease!) and the client PC keeps that address and doesn't bother asking for a new one until that lease is expired. If the lease is set too short, the loading on the DHCP server and the LAN network itself will be high. If the lease is set too long, idle PCs will retain their IP addresses (e.g. when a user goes on holiday) and the scope will not be used efficiently. Default is around 3-7 days. It's also highly likely that when a lease expires in normal usage, the same IP will be reallocated to that client PC, so a client PC using DHCP could potentially have the same IP address for a very long time.

(If anyone if still reading this, you'll be very glad to know I'm getting near the main point!)

Technically speaking home users aren't that much different from offices and schools, especially those with broadband ADSL/cable connections and now that having more than one PC at home sharing an Internet connection (a LAN no less!) is becoming common. There are differences between broadband connections and dial-up connections, but basically they're the same. I'll add a little more detail on broadband users further on.

To get online you need to go through an ISP. An ISP is basically just a company with a big phat internet connection that provides internet connectivity via its network (usually with added services like email and web storage etc). Every ISP is allocated a range of IP addresses by the relevant authority for it to allocate to its users. Some ISPs now offer static IP addresses to home broadband users, usually for a premium, but to keep IP address consumption down, mostly they just use DHCP servers. Most home PCs have dynamic IP addresses!

Your ISP will either give you a CD or instructions on how to configure your PC to connect to the Internet, and this will basically configure your PC as a DHCP client. When you try and connect to the Internet, your PC will request an IP address from your ISP's DHCP server and be allocated an IP address for that session.

And that is why most Internet connected PCs have a Dynamic IP address. Voila! :D

What Kyle's excellent advice above actually does is to force your DHCP-enabled PC to request a fresh IP address from your ISP. To be honest, it's fairly probable that your ISP will just reallocate the same IP address and renew the DHCP lease, especially if their lease is set long, but it's worth a go. This also explains why you might be sure that you have a dynamic IP address but can't get it to change, or that it only works occasionally.

Another aside - if your PC is DHCP enabled and is allocated an IP address from your ISP, a possible alternative method of renewing your IP address is to use the following from the command prompt (Win2k and later) -

'ipconfig /release'

then

'ipconfig /renew'

Note – ‘ipconfig /all’ displays your current IP settings, and will also tell you if your PC is DHCP enabled or not.


IMPORTANT NOTE FOR BROADBAND USERS WHO CONNECT USING A WIRED/WIRELESS ROUTER -

Broadband users who connect through a wired/wireless router (not a USB broadband modem, they work exactly the same as dial-up, only faster!) have much more in common with an office LAN. Basically the broadband router is the Firewall and your PC is the LAN client PC. It's normal in this setup for the router itself to be configured with the ISP connectivity settings and not the PC, but the router will probably be a DHCP client and acquire it's public IP address dynamically from the ISP, so the same concepts still apply - you'll just need to release/renew the IP address from your router, not your PC!

Also be aware that many broadband routers also have a built-in DHCP server on the private/LAN side. If your PC is connected to a DHCP-server enabled router and your PC is set as a DHCP client, it is your router that allocates the IP Address to your PC and not your ISP. (One way to tell is that it's extremely common for routers like this to use the 192.168.0.0 or 172.0.0.0 range internally - this range is not useable on the Internet! If your PC has an IP address in this range, the Address is being allocated by your router!). Thus if you follow Kyle’s or my notes on changing your IP address, you may just be telling your PC to request a fresh IP dynamic address from your router, which will not affect your public IP address.

Another aside - routers like this often use NAT, so your PC may have an IP address of e.g. 192.168.0.2, but your public IP Address will be something completely different.


Um, this post is a little bit longer than I was planning, but this subject is what I get paid to do and I felt like writing some stuff ;) I hope it’s cleared up more questions than it’s created! I'll reread when I get up tomorrow and correct any mistakes I might have made.

If anyone has any questions on this topic then feel free to post a reply here or PM me and I’ll see what I can do.

And if anyone is interested, there’s a very good series of articles here –

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/network/evaluate/technol/tcpipfund/tcpipfund_ch01.mspx

It’s very MS flavoured but also very good!

Lastly, before you change the network settings on your PC or router, either make sure you know exactly what you’re doing or have made a note of the original settings just in case it all goes horribly wrong! And don’t try it at school/work, your network administrator might get annoyed!

Cheers

Jake

[Spikey-baby]

^^ i was going to post on how to realse and renew the IP but you pretty much covered everything in the cisco lecture there :D ^^

rep for the best quality post i have read in a long time :D

[kyle1471-]

thanks for the reps ppl spikey why say ur giving me one and then dnt lol
maybe a mod could sticky this aswell

[Spikey-baby]

thanks for the reps ppl spikey why say ur giving me one and then dnt lol
maybe a mod could sticky this aswell

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to kyle1471- again.

[jaketo]

Thanks Spikey, cheers for the rep.

I wasn't going for quite that degree of depth but the g33k in me just took over and off I went ;)

[royalmarine]

Thanks Spikey, cheers for the rep.

I wasn't going for quite that degree of depth but the g33k in me just took over and off I went ;)


spoken like a true g33k :D
lol nice post fella. was gonna write it up but decided not to as i was tired last nite when i posted my last 1 :D

lol nice 1 tho.

[ab_iwillkillu]

hey all
im just wondering if i can click that high number of clicks like 10,000 per day if i dont have a dynamic ip.
and if i cant do that only by using a dynamic !!! how i can get a dynamic ip ?????

[jaketo]

For those people who didn't feel technical or energetic enough to read all of the above, I'll recap in brief -

1. 99% of home Internet users have a dynamic IP address, but -

2. The allocation of this dynamic IP address depends almost solely on variables invoked by the user's ISP. Various means may force a reallocation, but probably won't.

3. Just in case you weren't aware or had forgotten, using multiple IP addresses to boost numbers of clicks is illegal -

Prohibited - 'Using any process which enables clicking of a unique link more than once per day by the same person' (http://www.kingsofchaos.com/help.php#)

Any more highly g33k tech questions, feel free to throw them my way.

Cheers

Jake

[firewall01]

3. Just in case you weren't aware or had forgotten, using multiple IP addresses to boost numbers of clicks is illegal -

Prohibited - 'Using any process which enables clicking of a unique link more than once per day by the same person' (http://www.kingsofchaos.com/help.php#)

Any more highly g33k tech questions, feel free to throw them my way.

Cheers

Jake

so doing the thing exsplaned in the top post is illegal?? if so why do we have it on or forums.

[Vaekor]

so doing the thing exsplaned in the top post is illegal?? if so why do we have it on or forums.

I've gone back and forth on this one as the mod for Tech Discussion; I even asked a person or two of higher rank than myself for advice -- they told me that it was up to me whether to leave it here or not.

In the end, I decided that I wouldn't want this information in Tips and Hints, because as it directly applies to KoC it is against the rules. There are other uses for dynamic IPs, however, and jaketo's posts on the topic are so wonderfully educational that -- for a technical discussion -- I decided to let it stay. I did not, however, decide to sticky it, so as not to allow too much undue attention to it.

If people would rather that I delete it or close it, drop me a PM on the forum and I'll take it out.

[ EDIT: Since I've managed to thoroughly confuse other mods, I'll explain - after making this post, we were hit with a post or two a week about dynamic IPs. As a consequence, I reversed my ruling on stickifying this thread, in exchange for which I am now able to close/delete the other threads and say "We've already been through this, go to the sticky one." ]

[jaketo]

Excellent answer Vaekor, and thanks for the compliment! :-)

I'd seen a lot of rumours and mistaken comments about dynamic IPs lately, and as this kind of stuff is a large part of what I do for a living I wrote my post above to provide some technical insight on this subject and hopefully answer a few queries, purely as a technical discussion and totally independent from KoC.

But as forcing a re-allocation of your dynamically-assigned IP address could technically allow you to cheat in KoC, I thought it wise to highlight that rule in case anyone wasn't aware of it.

[firewall01]

ok thx for the help guys but 1 more idea poped into my head when I was reading this part of the rule (once per day by the same person'). this would meen that I would be able to click the list change my IP and let my brother click the list without braking any rules?

[Vaekor]

By my interpretation of the rules, if you clicked once through the list and then changed IPs so that your brother could click through the list, that would be legal, yes.

Let it be stated for the record that I am not the one that has final say on such matters. =)